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  • in reply to: Is the Happy Coin relevant to ACE? #1363
    michel
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    Using happycoin for the sole purpose of spreading happiness is not attaching a business or professional card, notice or advertisement to a coin. (read more on the legality : http://ahe.heliohost.org/happycoin/#legal )

    The second purpose of happycoin was to measure the “advancement of humanity” and therefore be able to back the ACE-currency.
    Can we still use “registered stamped penny” for this ? or do we have other way accessible to everyone to quantify how good humanity is ?
    we probably won’t be able to mint everyone’s happycoin and it would go against the valuable property of being 100% decentralized.

    let us share our ideas on the topic
    Thanks
    +Michel

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 12 months ago by michel.
    in reply to: Is the Happy Coin relevant to ACE? #1360
    michel
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    Michel’s Response (copy and pasted from fb by Alix):

    I had the same question about defacing coins , it depends on the country … in the US and UK there is an exception for “Elongated pennies” … (like the one you press in Museum etc. initially I wanted to get a machine installed but it is complicated to get them in the street and insured etc…

    I wanted something quick so the sharpie was the easiest solution … I try to have some minted but my order didn’t arrived.
    there is also a virtual version of the happycoin that is not made with penny and is a printable QR code you can exchange …

    See http://advancementofcivilizationeffort.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/HappyCoin_QR.png for an example. The link on the image does not work, by the way.

    I would like to have a second video cast to elaborate on your article … I like the idea of the advancement-assessment and want to know more during our next video

    on a note : In the US it is illegal to deface US currency for fraudulent purposes (usually changing one denomination to a higher one). It is not illegal to deface them for expressive purposes.

    don’t you think happycoin can be consider like https://www.wheresgeorge.com/

    michel
    Participant

    answering your question : Ok, so, actually you do have a currency… it is just virtual… it is (in this example) the ACK. So that makes everything a lot easier for me to understand first of all…How can we practically begin implementing this? Can you and I and a few other people begin to put this into practice somehow?

    as opposes to bitcoin or other crypto-currency where a “piece of data” has a value here there is no token that as a value.
    so during a transaction are moving an token or “valued” data. the ACE-bank record only the flow of good in an universally accepted measuring system.
    the Unit of an exchange of good can be expressed in Euros, Dollars, ACE-keys, Joule, G1, equality-keys, earth-dollars, XEM or any existing currencies, however to make the system fair for everyone we measure record the value of the exchange of goods or services in and absolute scale which is in fact the purpose of money : facilitating the exchanges.

    The difficulties of token based currency is that you have to secure your system such that you avoid “double spending”, problem solve in existing system by exhanging “physical money” or by proof-of-work in blockchain based currencies.

    here if we don’t have a token we don’t have the double spending problem, in fact we can spend as much as we want, (and a record will be posted for every spending either you have the funds or not.

    With ACE-Keys, the problem of double spending is replaced by the Sybil attack problem, we have to quarante with the technology the uniqueness of every individual and authenticate the physical person behind every sovereign account (KYC). (I will write more on this important topic later)

    How do we start in real life ?

    The implementation is under way, the intended interface could be exactly like a regular bank : you register for an account and you provide proof you are a “physical and alive being”. once you sovereign account is open you can pick the currency that suit you the best for your account, there are a few implementation that are slightly in the way the “free credit for existence” and dividend are distributed … we are currently exploring different options to see which one resonate with people. we believe several system can coexisted.

    Still we can play with the system using an old fashion notebook and write down the exchange we do…
    and in a computer age we can use any accounting software that can track multiple currencies.

    more info on ACE-bank development at http://ahe.heliohost.org/projects/ACE/coins.htm

    michel
    Participant

    continuing on the apple example : import/export are in reference to our own account

    so by getting apples I imported them, and for my book this represents a relative value of 10 ACK, to return to equilibrium I will export 10 ACK or I will use the credit I have on my account.

    The apple merchant indeed exported 12ACK and to return to equiblibrium he will import 12ACK perhaps to provide for his own needs etc…

    We have to remember that value of things are subjective and therefore exchange rate depend on the chosen referential
    Exchange Table:
    1 ACE-key = 0.0625XT in my referential
    1 ACE-key = 0052083XT in the merchant referential

    On the global community the exchange are recorded this way :
    Michel : -10 ACK on my book (1 ACK = 0.0625XT)
    Community : 5 / 8 = .625XT or 0.078125DU (record in the “community account” are registered in absolute units

    Merchant : +12 ACK on his book (1 ACK = 0.052083XT)
    Community: -.625XT or 0.78125DU

    ending balance :
    Michel has an importation credit of 10ACK
    The Merchant has an exportation credit of 12ACK
    the community an an importation of .625XT that match an exportation of .625XT

    it looks a little complex to have as many of currencies as human being however in practice people can use an equivalence with their local fiat money so the don’t have to jungle with all the exchange rate, for the system all is transparent as it a matter of having a per account scale.

    The advantage of having each one of us define our own value of the keys is that we empower each one of us, by having a value system totally in harmony of individually every one of us . All the math and conversion is automatically done transparently.

    michel
    Participant

    2) Q: If there is no money or currency, then in what form does this “credit” come in?
    A: commerce among people is exchange goods services etc… we want a system that facilitate this and put everyone equal no matter the age, location , background. skills of each person.
    All can be seen as exchange of energy, or exchange of value if you place a price-tag on the good and services. when I state monay is not necessary to do commerce. I mean that the token of money as we not it today “coins”, “banknotes”, “IOU” is not necessary to be exchanges, we can remove all tokens and simply credit an account on one side and withdraw on the other side. what doesn’t exist it the “paper” or metal money … the is no object that is exchange when one do a “commercial” transaction. it is solely and update of a number is 2 accounting books. (This is actually what banks are already doing).

    This doesn’t mean that exchange doesn’t have value. in fact this does change the fact that everything have a price tag in order to be exchange.
    Goods and Services have value, however this is everyone of us who gives value to things and services, allowing a free sense of worth for each human being.
    I believe the ability to assess personal worth for its own persons and what one produce is key to empower each one of us.

    ACE bank is removing the control for just one elite managing the complete banking system,and give a voice back to everyone but literally distributing banking at each individual.
    In a way it is link every human being is having her own currencies with a subjective value. The economic system is scaling all these “self estimated values’
    to an absolute value system based on the life (scaled to be in harmony with Nature)

    so Yes there is value for each transaction in each one of our accounting book (each individual have the option to evaluate her balance in their own currency or in an absolute scale for easier interpersonal interaction.

    Note: in ACE as well as in EarthNation currencies are called keys (there are not money, but more like Amazon coupon, they have on the legal side simple a piece of encrypted data.

    Example I give myself a credit of 10 “ACE-keys” (ACK) to buy some apples to a merchant down the street corner …
    I update my balance on my book to reflect an importation of 10 “ACE-keys” (knowing that the ACE-keys has a relative value on my own.
    these 10 ACK have the value of 1kg of apple, or approximately 5-Euros
    so the exchange rate of my ACE-keys is around 0.50 euros a key, while the merchant has a different relative value for the keys as he is selling is apple at 12ACK/kg. leading to a value of his key around 0.416 euros a keys.
    hence the merchant account is credited by 12 ACK.

    Every one has it relative scale of things and the ACE bank is taking care of relative conversion, putting every one at equality.
    Absolute value are often expressed in DU (dividend unit) or ExistanceRate

    for a geographic location where the minimum cost of life is 2000RU/month (where RU is a relative unit of reference Euros for example)
    the DividentUnit (DU) is 2000/31 = 64 RU and th Existance rate (XT) is 64/8 = 8 RU/h

    so in absolute value of the apple kilogram is 0.781DU or 0.625XT
    the absolute credit is of 31 DU or 248XT
    for myself it is : 2000 * 10 / 5 = 4000 ACK
    for the apple merchant if it 2000 * 12 / 6 = 4800 ACK

    This is a lot of brain Gym … however what is important is that you choose the value of your currency and then all the rest is transparent to the system.

    michel
    Participant

    please allow me to answer the question about ACE bank one by one :

    1) third point above:: Basic credit given to all individuals
    Q: How does this differ from a social welfare program?

    A: this is very different than social welfare, this it different than giving monnaie away without accountability,
    ACE Bank allow you to have a “free credit” for your existence i.e. a credit that allow you go though difficult time or to invest is project that require some seed funds, as a major difference from established bank, you are sovereign in granting you credit, (you can get refusal) however this is a credit so you are encouraged to contribute back to the community to make it sustainable. Welfare is use to provide for the person who can’t “produce” as much as they “consume” due to a illness or disability. The majority of people are capable of serving the community… a healthy person might always reimburse naturally the credit she uses with certainly even some extra left. so everyone is responsible to make their account go to equilibrium.

    to the “wellfare program” a community using ACE-bank can simply be implement ed by the “healthy person voting to allocate the excess production for the needs of the non-autonomous people. however for such a system to work we need to bound the among of persons under wellfare i.e. not able to reimbuse their personally allocated credit. and a voting mechanism to provide debt-forgiveness for the one who needs.

    in reply to: Interplanetary Filesystem #1030
    michel
    Participant

    the hash calculation is simply the base58 encoding of the SHA-256 digest of the encrypted block prepended with ‘0x1220’
    (note : the base58 encoding is using the bitcoin alphabet

    read more : https://github.com/Advancement-of-Civilization-Effort/Snippets/tree/master/bin2ascii

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